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Logan Sekulow: Welcome to Sekulow, another packed show. Will Haines joining me in studio. Christy Campagnone, ACLJ attorney, is going to be joining us in the third segment, and of course, we're going to hear from you later on and Rick Grenell. So you know what? Jam-packed. If you do want to be on the air, it's a good time to call in right now at 1-800-684-3110. This poll came out. Look, it's from a Democrat polling facility, organization, whatever you want to call it. So of course, it is one poll, so you've got to take it for what it is. But the results of this poll are shocking. And of course, they asked some very strange questions, questions that maybe should have been inappropriate to even be asking the American people. But a lot of them seem to point to the fact that, yes, they would love President Trump to be removed from office sometime between now and the end of his term early, and how? Really by any means necessary, if you look at this polling. And that ranges from 23% saying certain things all the way up to 75% of people polled saying that they would be fine if essentially the military got involved and said no more of this.
Will Haines: That's right. So when you look at this, this is a poll that was commissioned by Liberal Currents, which is a liberal magazine, an online magazine. But they commissioned it through the Center for Strategic Politics, which is a polling firm. And one of the questions, and there's a lot to dig into here, this is basically them asking the base what they think about many things, whether 2028 leader, etc. But here is one of the main things here. It's about President Trump leaving office. And in the poll, there was a range of things, whether it be very supportive all the way down to very negative feelings. And it was about whether there's various ways that if you woke up tomorrow morning and saw the following news headlines, how would you feel?
Logan Sekulow: To clarify, that was the polling question. The question was if you woke up tomorrow morning and saw the following news headlines, how would you feel? So I just want to clarify that's what they were asking people. And we can go through it because all of them are pretty disturbing.
Will Haines: Well, right here. So we talk about the main one that we were talking about. To safeguard the Constitution, a group of US military leaders have removed President Donald Trump from power and assumed control of the United States. So if they woke up tomorrow, these Democrat voters that were polled, and they saw that headline that there was a military coup, there is no longer an elected government, it's an undemocratic military coup, as you see in third-world countries, 59% total between very positive and somewhat positive. So 59% had a positive feeling about that potential headline.
Logan Sekulow: And 43% of that was very positive.
Will Haines: You go down. There's the 25th Amendment question. 84% have a positive feeling about that. Whether he's impeached and convicted, 86% have a positive feeling about that. If the President died in his sleep overnight, 56% of these voters in this poll said they would feel positive about that headline. And then finally, the only one that didn't have a majority of the individuals feeling positive was if Donald Trump were assassinated while speaking at a rally. If they woke up to that headline, 31%, almost a third of Democrat voters in this poll, would feel positive about that headline.
Logan Sekulow: And neutral was another 25%. So they didn't really have a feeling one way or the other. Look, you have to take this for what it is. But remember that this does reflect a certain group of voters that would feel fine, like you said, with a military revolution happening in the streets, would feel fine, positively, if this was to all happen. We're going to break it all down and more coming up at 1-800-684-3110. What do you think about this? What are they thinking? Of course, even the fact that they were willing to answer these questions to a poll, I would just be hanging up very quickly if this became the questions being asked. Again, phone lines are open for you at 1-800-684-3110. Support the work of the ACLJ. You're going to find out why specifically coming up in just a couple of segments. We're going to be joined by one of our attorneys, Christy Campagnone, in just a moment. Again, you can do that at aclj.org.
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Logan Sekulow: A lot going on, everybody. We are balancing a lot of topics right now as President Trump just spoke at the UN General Assembly. That's all happening. Yesterday, he was meeting with Mayor Adams. We saw that, a very positive meeting with the Mayor. I think President Trump, it's always interesting when you see him meet with people like that because you think it's going to be this antagonistic thing and they always, especially with New Yorkers, he always seems to find some common ground. And it becomes almost overly cordial and overly friendly to the point where I think a lot of people get thrown off.
Will Haines: That's right. And once again, even him praising Gracie Mansion in the condition it was in, it is those moments where politicians are sometimes people. Not always. Well, and then you start to read this. And this is what the problem is. This poll that was commissioned by Liberal Currents by the Center for Strategic Politics, we talked about that shocking number that there was 59% total would feel okay with a military coup. They would have a either very positive or somewhat positive feeling about waking up to a headline that military had taken over the country.
Logan Sekulow: Let's just say even the majority or just any way that you'd say the President has been removed from office. Whether that is by natural causes, whether that is all the way from assassination attempts on here where you had a still a pretty strong argument to be said. 25% said they'd feel neither positive nor negative, and 23% said they would feel positive. So half would either feel positive or nothing. And then you have it all the way up to, again, what if there's a military coup? What if he was impeached and removed from office? Of course, you're going to have some people, that one's not as shocking, the impeachment one because you're like, okay, you've gone through a whole process, you've tried him, and this is what happens. That's sort of the system we've built here in the United States of America. And if you are a Democrat voter, yeah, you're going to feel more likely. Now good luck with President Vance. I'm sure you're going to love that. I mean, that's always to me what I look at and go, man, I think if you've got President Trump on one hand, you have a guy who will at least go and meet with the Mayor of New York City. I don't know what President Vance looks like.
Will Haines: Now what I think we also need to take from this is not just the shocking top line that we led with. That's one specific angle of a very lengthy poll that was commissioned. It was really to get a pulse on the base of the party. So these were Democrat voters that were polled. And when you start to dig through it, when we talked about where the base is at, it seems that the base of the party is more aligned with the DSA candidate agenda than with the historic mainstream Democrat Party. And a lot of these things are antithetical to our constitutional framework, namely a military coup. I mean, this was the party that has talked endlessly about insurrections, and yet the base wants to say but we would wake up and feel very good about the military taking over the United States of America.
Logan Sekulow: I think some of these, though, we've got to look to like the 2028 one. I think is pretty fascinating as well, even just like the base. Who you would think is the frontrunner for the 2028 presidential primary. Kamala Harris leads right now with 25% as their first choice support. 33% have her as either first or second choice, and 70% of Democrats view her favorably. So again, you're talking about a number that maybe we're not talking enough about Kamala Harris heading into the next election because that is a shocking number for me, for someone that one so clearly lost, or lost so clearly to President Trump, and also did not seem to have it in her in terms of getting that buzz building. But the numbers here really show that. And they didn't really show any other candidate that has enough support to really take that on. And you had Gavin Newsom last week saying, well, if she runs, I'm not going to run. Maybe he's seen these numbers and maybe those numbers don't lie.
Will Haines: Well, and Gavin Newsom is the one in the poll that's behind her with the first choice is almost half. It's 10 points behind her for first choice at 15%. So Kamala Harris, based off this polling, once again this is a single poll but it is of the base, that is what they targeted with this.
Logan Sekulow: Right, I like this one because it's just saying Democrat.
Will Haines: Right. It's not being skewed by potentially even just being affiliated or likely. It is these are Democrat voters. But so you take that, you take Kamala Harris. I think this should be a wake-up call for someone like Kamala Harris as well as any other person in leadership in the Democrat Party. Some, any person in leadership that believes in the constitutional framework of the United States. Because what else did they find? The majority support ending the filibuster. 69% support the next Democrat president expanding the Supreme Court. They support nationalization and public ownership of artificial intelligence, the electric grid, the pharmaceutical and healthcare industries. They believe in 34% net approval of Senate abolition. They have all of these things. The prosecution of people in the Trump administration including Secretary of War Pete Hegseth. It goes on and on and it reads like something that you'd read on BlueSky or some social media outlet that is an echo chamber. But in reality, this seems to be where the base is at. And I think it's going to take strong leaders to course correct in that party to say no, this is not what America's about. The fact that you have so many in that party that sit there and are fine with voicing to a poll that the various litany of different ways they would be fine waking up and feel good about the sitting President of the United States no longer being in office because of an abnormal event or alive shows how far we've gone from a civil society and that needs to fix on both sides of the aisle.
Logan Sekulow: Yeah, and I think we've got to break down some of these other ones because there are so many in here because they went through comprehensively. I don't know how many people were polled, maybe we can find that out. But they went through a good number of the top issues including AI ownership. They went into court packing with the Supreme Court of the United States, the filibuster, all those kind of things and guess what? The polls really do showcase exactly what you would think they would, which is a lot of in favor of. When you had something like the filibuster, you had a mass majority of Democrat voters support the ending of the filibuster. You had 69% support the next Democrat president expanding the Supreme Court, so court packing. This has been a big topic of conversation that we've had here because it has only really been threatened by one side of this. I feel like it has been threatening the idea of adding more justices to the United States Supreme Court in a way that was intentionally unfair, in a way that you're saying look, the idea of the Supreme Court is lifetime appointments. You actually can have some sort of randomization of who's in charge versus what laws are getting passed. Yes, President Trump got to pick an inordinate amount of Supreme Court justices. That is true. That doesn't usually happen. Usually a president even with two terms maybe gets two, maybe three in their lifetime, and sometimes those are phasing out rather quickly. Now look, a lot of these justices are on the older side. You will see a large group of them, two or three of them probably go in the next 5 to 10 years.
Will Haines: Right. I mean there was a lot of chatter that even some may be leaving at this term. So yeah, five years is probably you could see two or three that could turn over.
Logan Sekulow: So the next president likely could have quite a few picks for the Supreme Court. But they're saying if it's a Democrat, let's go in there and let's get another handful. Let's move it to 24, I don't know, let's move it to whatever you can do to make it happen. So that's one of them. And there's a lot more. Senate abolition came in. That became a little less popular.
Will Haines: I mean still plus 34% net approval. That's net approval. That means over the median. It wasn't 50/50, it's 34% more want to abolish it than not abolish it. When you talk about methodology here, it's a sample size of 683 with a 3.75% margin of error, meaning it could be plus or minus that percentage. So when you look at something where they're saying 59%, it actually could only be 56% that support the military coup. When they do methodologies like this, they look for Democrat voters. The Center for Strategic Politics, that's their business is polling. So they run panels, they find panels, they find different demographics that fit that they think make up the framework of the party at large. Is it perfect? No. Is it one poll? Yes, only one poll. But it is concerning, even the percentages of people willing to go on the record on some of these things in a poll is shocking. And I think once again, we look at everything that we talk about on this broadcast and you talk about the candidates that are winning in very radical places like New York that have a history of going far left. If you don't have a check on that within your own house, within your own party, Democrat, then the entirety of the system starts to break down. And you stop seeing people as human across the aisle. And I say that for the right as well. We see the rise of antisemitism in conservatism, the dehumanization of certain people groups that is happening in the conservative Internet world. And that can't stand. This isn't policy debates over tax rates or safety net programs. These are literal debates that dehumanize people and is so antithetical to what the foundation of this country looked like. There's got to be some people looking at this and saying this is a wake-up call. I need to speak to the voters in my party and say we can't live like this.
Logan Sekulow: Listen, we're pivoting here in the next segment. I want you to call in about this, though. What do you think? We've got phone lines open, six lines open right now. None of you are calling. So guess what? Call in, be kind to the phone screener, you might make it on the air. We do only have a few segments for phone calls today because we're going to be joined in the next segment by ACLJ attorney Christy Campagnone, followed by later on Rick Grenell. So give us a call right now at 1-800-684-3110. I'm going to give you a lot of reasons to support the work of the ACLJ with your financial donations coming up in the next segment because we're busier than ever. Today's no exception. You're going to hear about that when we get back. All the work the ACLJ is doing, and of course, you can become an ACLJ champion, someone that gives every month on a recurring basis. Do it right now. When we get back, we'll give you even more reason to do so. Stay tuned.
Logan Sekulow: Welcome back to Sekulow. We are going to pivot a little bit but we will be taking calls on that poll, 1-800-684-3110. What do you think? But now we are joined by ACLJ senior attorney Christy Campagnone from Washington, DC. Always interesting to hear about updates going on with the ACLJ in the individual cases that we are working on all the time. You may remember this back from April of 2025. Again, these things take time. This is someone who is out there with a small yard sign reading, "Love your pre-born neighbor as yourself and we will adopt your baby" in front of abortion clinics and places like this. Of course, you see them all the time. But within minutes was told essentially you're violating some sort of code. The ACLJ gets involved and now a year later, we're still fighting for this. Christy, I'll let you take it from here to give people not only the history of this but where we are right now. I know you wanted to hop on today to discuss this.
Christy Campagnone: Yes, so today we're in the Seventh Circuit and we were arguing in front of a panel of three judges. This is a case that goes back to last year, Hammond v. Carbondale, Illinois. And just like you were saying, he was simply trying to stake small signs into the ground outside of the abortion clinic, which is his First Amendment right. And yet he was told he had to remove the signs, that he could only carry them. Turns out as we continue to file a lawsuit and push for his rights with the city, they're holding down true that they can't place signs in the ground even though we have case law that says otherwise. The First Amendment is the most important protected amendment for individuals when they are trying to speak, and a city can't just disregard that because of aesthetics or this desire to not have signs. There are reasonable limits to that, and I think that is what the core of our case is, is well, you have an ordinance that isn't clear about what you can and can't do. Therefore, our client has no way to know whether he is doing the right thing or if he's violating the ordinance. And furthermore, if your entire argument is that no signs can ever be staked in public ground, well, that's unconstitutional. And so we brought both a vagueness claim saying, well, your ordinance doesn't make any sense as written, there are all sorts of exceptions in here and when they all interplay, there's no way for our client to know what he can and can't do. But more importantly, you also cannot prohibit him from speaking at all in totality. And so we brought that in a preliminary injunction at the lower court. She did not grant that, so we appealed it to the Seventh Circuit, and that's where we were today fighting and arguing for our client in front of a three-panel judge.
Will Haines: And as many of us in the office were listening to Nathan as he was delivering that oral argument before the three-panel judge today on this preliminary injunction issue. And that's what I want to also ask about because this isn't even the full case yet. This is the appeal at very early still. This is as people know if you watch this broadcast, if you follow the ACLJ, the court systems take time. And we are just appealing that preliminary injunction portion. We are asking the Seventh Circuit to reverse the lower court and allow our client's free speech to continue while the rest of this case plays out. Am I getting that right, Christy?
Christy Campagnone: Exactly. So there is enough evidence here for the judge to be able to look at the case and say, you are violating our client's rights and we're going to go ahead and put an injunction to stop you from violating his rights any further as the case at the district court continues on. Now that first district court judge didn't agree with us and so that's why we're able to appeal it to the Seventh Circuit. So today there was a lot of discussion about what is this ordinance, what is it saying, and could a reasonable person actually read the ordinance and even understand what their rights are or if they're going to violate it? And so again, we held and we are arguing before that panel of judges that this is unconstitutional as it's being applied, but also the ordinance on its face is unconstitutional because he doesn't understand what it's even saying.
Logan Sekulow: Yeah, Christy, I also want you to explain to our audience, because when you see like, well, the judge didn't side with us, essentially a loss. What does that look like then? Because I think for a lot of other clients and not in the ACLJ world, if you were paying a private attorney or something like that, you go, okay, well, we lost here. Are we really going to push it to the next level? Is there even a next level to push? You have to have those discussions of finances and all that. And thankfully due to our ACLJ supporters, that's not a question that comes up. But for you guys, what you get to do is decide what the next step is, and we see what your next step is. But again, I want to put that on a little bit of our listeners to go, okay, when they support the work of the ACLJ, understand that there are so many paths. Even when there may be a roadblock, there's a path to keep going.
Christy Campagnone: Absolutely. And that's what's neat about our job is we get to keep fighting for you because there isn't a limit, there isn't a financial burden on us to be able to take this into the upper courts to appeal them. And we often appeal cases all the way up to the Supreme Court, and that's where we really are strong and we win even at the Supreme Court. So you have several opportunities for your case to be heard. Losing at the district court really doesn't mean much. And in fact, we kind of like to be able to get into the appellate court because that's really where we do shine in our oral argument before a panel of judges. And so when you are donating to us and helping us to do that, what you're doing is giving all of our clients an opportunity to have their case heard even if there's one person that maybe doesn't agree with them or isn't wanting to protect their rights. We have this opportunity to bring it before more people to say, help, we need you to look at this set of facts and protect our client. And there are several opportunities to do that because of what you guys are able to give to us at the ACLJ.
Will Haines: And also many times once it gets out of the district court, then also the precedent and the protections start to reach a broader group. When the court is affirming the constitutional rights of a broader group of people when it's not just the one specific district but as it climbs up the ladder. But also I want to ask you because we heard Nathan, he delivered that oral argument today and did a fantastic job. We thank him for his hard work on all that. And I also want to know what are kind of the next steps that we could be looking at here at the ACLJ as we see this case play out?
Christy Campagnone: So on one hand, they might side with us, which is wonderful, which means we go back down to the district court with an injunction at play, which means our client can continue to go out sharing his message with people going into these abortion clinics who are scared and lost. He can reach out to them and will be protected from the police interfering with him posting his signs. On the other hand, if they reject it, then we still can be at that district court level if we choose to be where we actually bring the merits argument. We will start into discovery, we will start taking more testimony and really trying to dig into what the intent was behind the ordinance that's being applied here. But we also have the opportunity possibly to appeal it to the Supreme Court. And so we will take whatever decision comes from the Seventh Circuit and we'll analyze it and kind of go from there on what's best for our client.
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